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MessaggioTitolo: Esperienze fantozziane... (preso da un articolo) :-)   Esperienze fantozziane... (preso da un articolo) :-) EmptyMer Ago 22, 2012 7:27 pm

Questo un articolo che qualcuno ha postato su facebook.
Lo metto qui (aggiungendo qualcosina di mio) , perch troppo Sorriso :

"Getting an ID card might not seem like rocket science but Riccardo Bevilacqua from the Division of Applied Nuclear Physics at Uppsala University has found splitting atoms easy by comparison.

Foreigners can't bank on Swedish ID (5 Mar 08)
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Is Italy in the European Union or have I just imagined the last fifty years of my country's history? This unusual question has sprung to mind on several occasions recently when I have been in contact with Swedish customer service.

A few months ago I applied for an Ica card at my local supermarket. The girl at the reception stared for ten long minutes at my Italian national ID card searching for the Swedish personal identification number, unwilling to understand that she was never going to find it on a non-Swedish document.

She was greatly surprised when she asked to see my passport and I answered that I did not have it with me.

"And how did you enter Sweden without a passport?" she wondered.

I did not know if it was better to explain to her that it is possible to travel from Italy to Sweden with just a national ID, or if I had to tell her that actually I did not come directly from Italy to Ica, but have in fact lived in Sweden for a year and had just come from home where there is no passport control at the door.

Recently I tried to buy a bed at Ikea in Uppsala. There was an offer for payment over 12 months without interest. This time I came prepared: I had with me both an official document stating my personal identification number and my Italian passport.

But the guy at the customer service desk refused to let me apply for the offer.

"You do not have a valid ID". Referring to my Italian passport, he stated: "This is not a valid passport, since it does not have the personal identification number".

Of course I tried to explain him that a foreign passport will never include a Swedish personnummer, to which he retorted: "If you do not have it in the passport, it means that you do not have it, thus you are not eligible".

So I showed him, again, my ID document from the tax office and his answer was: "Well, if you have a personnummer, just go and get a Swedish passport".

At this point I asked to speak to a supervisor. The guy phoned his supervisor and told him he had a problem with a customer (me) who had a passport "that he claims to be from Italy".

Finally I was able to talk to the supervisor. But he had some bad news for me.

"I am sorry, we cannot offer you the 12 month rate since you are not an EU citizen". Try as I might I could not convince him that Italy actually is a member of the EU.

I decided there and then that it was finally time to get a Swedish ID card.

Since I am a customer of Nordea bank I decided to call their customer service to find out how to get the card. A nice woman told me to take the following with me to my bank: an ID document from the tax office, a personal picture of specific size and features, my Italian passport and 350 kronor.

Along I went to my local branch and presented all the requested documents. The first answer I got was: "We do not provide this service anymore".

Not being in the least surprised at this stage, I informed them that the customer service had expressly told me, just a couple of days before, that they do provide this service.

The second answer was quite funny: "Do you have a Swedish ID? You'll need one to get a Swedish ID."

"Of course not, I am here to get one."

The third answer brought me right back to Ikea: "I am sorry, you have only an Italian passport and you are not an EU citizen. We cannot provide this service to non-EU citizens".

The front page of my passport bears the words: "Unione Europea, Repubblica Italiana". On the second page this is translated into all 27 languages of the Union.

Despite this, I had to explain once more that Italy was one of the founders in 1957 of what today is the European Union and that Sweden joined it only 38 years later (in 1995).

However it took another half hour, the advice of a supervisor, and the signature of my Swedish-citizen girlfriend (with her ID), to fill out all the forms necessary to obtain the elusive ID card.

They told me that I should receive it in a couple of weeks. I really hope so. Meanwhile I have now been waiting five months for my Ica card.

And I haven't bought that Ikea bed yet."

Riccardo Bevilacqua

[ Reminds me of my first visit at the Skatteverket in Karlstad (2010).
Holding my Italian/European passport in her hands, the employee asked: "Is Italy in Europe" ? I really hope for her that she meant European Union !
At first I thought she was simply trying to be funny, but no, she really didn't have a clue.
I was tempted to say "No, in reality it's a part of Northern Africa", but I simply answered "yes", with a smile.

Claudia :-) ]
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Sorriso Sorriso Sorriso
Mi fa venire in mente la risposta ricevuta dal mio commissariato di zona quando ero andata a legalizzare la mia collezione di armi da taglio:
Il poliziotto mi da una serie di carte da compilare e mi fa: Un arma da taglio considerata tale quando ha filo e punta. Per poterne dichiarare e legalizzare il possesso devi togliergli filo e punta. Ma una volta tolti filo e punta per noi non pi da considerarsi un'arma, quindi non hai pi bisogno di dichiararla.
Detto questo si riprende i documenti ancora in bianco (io ero rimasta li ad ascoltare quel fiume in piena di parole sconnese tipo O_O con la penna in mano) e mi dice di tornare a casa, e che lui avrebbe fanto finta di non sapere niente. Quella collezione ancora in casa mia, nessuno mi ha ancora saputo spiegare se attualmente ho tutte le carte in regola o no. Io dal canto mio ho deciso che se posso avere dei coltelli da cucina (che ovviamente sono affilati) non c' motivo per cui non dovrei avere anche gli altri coltelli.
In sostanza, tutto il mondo paese XD
La cosa peggiore che il fatto di avere delle armi non dichiarate non mi crea molti problemi (e se me ne dovesse creare in futuro me la prendo col poliziotto incompetente con cui avevo parlato quando avevo cercato di regolarizzare tutto). Il fatto che in Svezia ti impediscano di avere dei documenti regolari con i quali poter accedere ai servizi pi disparati.... Beh si, quello pu essere un problema. Non si potrebbe chiamare la polizia in questi casi? 'Sti svedesi la chiamano per ogni stronzata, almeno li facciamo lavorare per qualcosa di serio u.u
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